Once upon a time I had a little money
Government burglers took it long before I could mail it to you...


      Indie List Digest!

        April 16, 1994

     Volume 3   Number 25


Special Performance in Historical Art
Many Reviews from Ohio...
Pavement, Helium Coral (Virginia Beach)
Papas Fritos
Tindersticks, Cardiacs
Various Reviews ((Y)earbook, Combustible Edison, Naked City)
Abridged Perversion
Pavement in PA, et al.
Blind Mr Jones & DroneOn
Pavement in Austin, TX
ANNOUNCEMENT: Ugly Head/Dying Echo/Pelt gig
ADV: Harriet Records, Incite magazine
ADV: Jiffy Boy show


Welcome to the 100th issue (or so we believe) of the indie-list.  Or 
just the first handful of those under Anne's and my editorship, 
whichever you prefer.  But first: Some administrivial details.

Sean Murphy is now maintaining the mailing list for the distribution 
of I-L.  If you want off the list for some reason, or need to tell 
someone how to subscribe, the official address to send your request to 
is <skmurphy@phoenix.princeton.edu> until Sean graduates.  We'll make 
further announcements at that time.

Extra extra special thanks go to Liz Clayton for putting so much 
time and energy into maintaining the list.  As a recipient of some 
of the confusion that is bounced mail, I have an abiding respect for 
all that maintaining the I-L list (as well as the Chi-Shows list) 
must have taken.

Secondly, various people have had some problems getting indie_submit 
to accept submissions correctly.  I put a fix in place, but only time 
will tell if this resolved the problem.  If ever you get a bounce 
message from submitting an article, please forward it along to either 
Anne or myself.

Thirdly, there has been some discussion about a piece we ran in a 
previous issue, a piece which some have argued was in fact too 
"press-releasey" for the I-L.  Whether or not it was a press release 
remains for the reader to decide.  As we make the decisions of 
moderation we hope to err on the side of inclusiveness.  Most 
importantly, as a word of warning to anyone who wanted to think of I-L 
as an outlet for PR, the readers of the I-L are smart enough to know 
what snow looks like...

Fourthly, there's been a change at the archive site.  Gopher access is now 
unavailable, so to get back issues of the I-L, just point your 
favorite ftp application to ftp://ftp.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/indie.

Finally, we're in the process of amending the FAQ (a spring cleaning, 
if you will).  Look for it in your mailbox in the near future (sooner 
than HP/UX bug fixes!)

Thanks to Mark Cornick, the father of us all, for his 
special-edition history of the I-L, which you are about to read. 



From: Mark Cornick <cornick@access.digex.net>
100th issue punk rock spectacular shake it revolution yeah

(or at least that part of it occupied by Indie-List)
by Mark Cornick

Indie-List is fast approaching its second anniversary (the exact date 
is in the middle of August, but by custom it is celebrated on the 
first of September), and I've been informed (although I haven't 
bothered trying to verify it) that this is the 100th issue.  Yipes.  
In retrospect, it's hard to believe that the rough, scrappy thing 
Joshua Houk and I started way back then has progressed to the point 
it's at now.

I first got onto Internet in early 1992, and onto the Usenet in July 
of that year.  Like (I assume) many of you, I found the alt.music.  
alternative group and immediately noticed how, er, lame it was.  I 
did notice some posts from people who seemed to know what was going 
on: Joshua Houk, Sean Murphy, Liz Clayton, Matthew Robb, Brian K!z!K 
Macdonald, Steve "Who Cares" Shapiro...  There was a lot of discussion 
about possibly setting up a newsgroup to deal with indie rock.  After 
various discussion (including points made by yours truly that I now 
disagree with completely), someone suggested starting a mailing list 
instead.  I thought this was a dandy idea.  Joshua apparently did too, 
because he made a post offering to set up a list.  Josh and I got 
together, decided to make it a co-op effort, and thus the Indie-List 
was (breech-) born.

The first issue featured two articles: Rob "Chimichanga" Vaughn 
querying the list at large about sources for indie jazz, and Sean 
Murphy plugging an upcoming show at Princeton (or somewhere 
thereabouts.) Gradually, we got bigger; we had a multi-issue All 
thread; and we had the first of a series of posts documenting my punk 
band, the Ice Cream Socialists (who persevered without me when I left 
Harrisonburg and who are continuing to do so today, to very good 

Attempting to run a mailing list from VAXmail without a listserver 
proved to be unwieldly after about our first hundred subscribers, and 
thus Liz (an e-mail penpal of mine for a few months before I-L began) 
stepped into the inner circle of list-janitors who became known as the 
Indie-List Infotainment Junta.  Liz may not have invented the 
bloofga-matic, but she did christen it. The name "bloofga" has 
absolutely no meaning in the English language or any other that I know 
of; it was simply the result of a noisy line.  It stuck, though, and 
Liz and I later created an animal to represent it: "a small, furry, 
rodent-like creature (Gremlinus horribilus) indigenous to Hyde Park, 
Illinois, known to munch on Internet cables and cause extreme line 
noise.  Fortunately, bloofgas normally only attack NeXTs."

Somewhere along the way we had a post from Mykel Board, although to my 
knowledge he was never a subscriber.  Nor, for that matter, was 
William Broad, aka Billy Idol, aka <idol@well.sf.ca.us>, aka 
Stupidboy.  Anyway, the "bureau chiefs" program was instituted a few 
months in to help insure that we'd have articles for each digest.  
Modeled after MRR's scene reports, we asked people to contribute 
articles about their local happenings.  Many people signed up; a few 
actually wrote stuff.  Somewhere in here, we started hearing a lot 
from a lot of people: Joshua Buergel, Kathleen (K.  Lena) Bennett, 
Chris Sievanen, Lindsay Watt, and others were notably prolific.

The winter of 1993 came and I left JMU for what turned out to be three 
semesters (do your math and you'll find out this means I'm heading 
back this fall.  neat.) And thus began my quest for the ideal 
non-student net access, which resulted in about 98 address changes and 
much amusement and annoyance for the rest of the staff (which, by now, 
included Sean Murphy, as archivist.) Somewhere in between changing my 
address on or about every waxing crescent, we managed to grow to over 
five hundred subscribers -- an impressive total for a list Josh and I 
expected to draw about a tenth of that amount.

The summer of 1993 brought several changes to Indie-List, and no, I'm 
not talking about new net IDs.  I-L tested some Perl scripts intended 
to semi-automate the (er) digesting of the list, with disastrous 
results.  (Sean will very happily tell you he told me so.) The 
editorial office of the Junta packed up along with me when I moved to 
Richmond in search of better employment.  (Several of my friends in 
Richmond today were people I had originally "met" through the list.  
Never have I said this wasn't a boon from a Rolodex-boosting 
standpoint.) Sadly, as the summer ended, Joshua Houk dropped out of 
the Junta for numerous reasons; Lena Bennett, an e-mail-pal of Josh's 
(so much that they were once confused for each other on Usenet) took 
over his position.

As my life expanded, my responsibilities increased, my tastes changed, 
and my mind twisted, I found it difficult to continue at the helm of 
Indie-List, so shortly after the first anniversary, I abdicated in 
favor of Sean Murphy.  In retrospect, I only slightly regret doing 
this; I did miss doing the list eventually -- that's why I eventually 
rejoined the Junta, at the head of our new project, Telegraph -- but 
it was time for a change, and I think the list was better for it.  At 
this time, Chris Karlof joined the Junta as archivist.

Somewhere along this time, Indie-List was invaded by bands and labels. 
Some people dispute the value of this, but I thought it was great.  
Some labels represented at one point or another (most of them 
currently) on the list included Pop Narcotic, Harriet, Dark Beloved 
Cloud, Sonic Bubblegum, and Penultimate.  The arrival of Matador's 
Gerard Cosloy (a favorite target of Mark, Josh and Sean in digest 
after digest) in early 1994 stands out as a milestone.  (Suffice it to 
say that we have a much different opinion of Mr.  Big now.) Bands with 
representatives on Indie-List included the Poster Children (not really 
indie, but friends of Liz - ha, ha, ha!), Sebadoh (not Lou, Jason or 
Eric, but band buddy Kathleen Billus), the Primordial Underground, 
Band of Susans, and, of course, the list's home teams, Analogue (Chris 
Karlof on bass) and Friendly (yours truly on drums; and yes, Analogue 
and Friendly have played together.) The list continues to grow; Simple 
Machines will be online soon thanks to consultation and equipment 
sales by members of the Junta (not to gloat, but...).

Sean will be graduating from Princeton in about a month, so the time 
came to find a new editor.  After the introduction of the idea for 
Telegraph and some resulting shifts in power, Eric Sinclair and Anne 
Zender replaced Sean and Lena, who joined me at Telegraph (first issue 
in May, if all goes well.) And that pretty much puts us where we are 
today.  Impressive, huh?

And now, a total self-congratulatory load of caca called the 
Indie-List Hall Of Fame Awards (decided upon by a committee of me, 
myself, and I.) I lost the numbers to back up all of these awards, but 
let's face it, they're pretty much all in fun anyway:

- THE FRANKLIN BRUNO AWARD FOR VERBIAGE: This is given to the reader, 
other than a member of the Junta, responsible for writing the most 
lines over the last two years.  Although he hasn't written much 
lately, my calculations still place the award upon the shoulders of 
JOSHUA BUERGEL.  Noted CMJ staffer DOUG "If anyone has [ridiculously 
collectable record] that they don't want, send it to me" WOLK is 
probably second.

- THE DISCHORD AWARD FOR DIY SPIRIT: Again, this goes to a person 
who's been out of sight lately.  MATT KELLY ran (probably still does) 
the Cool Beans! BBS, which housed a complete archive of Indie-List 
and, last time I talked to him, was going to be linked into UUCP, and 
thus into the Internet.  Did it ever happen? Eventually, I think he 
lost his Antioch College account (he did graduate, after all) but I 
admire his efforts to build his own Information Superhighway.

doesn't go to myself.  It goes to the contributor with the most 
articles written under distinct identities (with the same address.) 
This one goes to CHRISTINE SIEVANEN, aka Hell's Cherubs Gang Leader, 
aka Comet Barfly, aka In Lust We Trust, aka Courtney's Best Friend, 
aka (currently) "like - totally punk rock." And the names she picked 
were always pretty funny, too.

Somehow, in between writing a thesis and living in Edinburgh, 
Scotland, LINDSAY WATT managed to catch the Jesus Lizard (among many 
others) more times than anyone else I've ever known.  Lindsay always 
seemed a little skeptical of what was happening on his end of the 
Atlantic, but man! was he into Touch & Go.  He did eventually 
graduate, by the way, and shared a plane with Therapy? on his way to a 
vacation in New York.  Cool.

course, to K.  LENA BENNETT, Official Comix And Post-Modernism 
Consultant To Indie-List [Retired.] Lena, as was mentioned, is now a 
contributor to Telegraph, where she will no doubt continue to extol 
the virtues of Roberta Gregory and Julie Doucet.

friend and mine, SEAN KERIC MURPHY.  Why bother explaining?

bestowed upon noted Chicago native (currently exiled to college in Ann 
Arbor) and zine writer LIZ CLAYTON, who knows every band and label in 
Chicago worth knowing.  Mighty impressive for someone who still can't 
drink beer legally.

housemate SCOTT BURGER, for making the remark that Indie-List had 
become "sort of like a trade paper." No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 
NO! Anything but that...

ROB LIM and STEVE SILVERSTEIN, who obviously know a good label when 
they see one (heh, heh, heh.)

awarded to "The Internet Directory" by Eric Braun (Fawcett Columbine), 
the only one of the multitude of Internet "yellow pages" books to list 
Indie-List.  (Of course, they don't have my correct address.  But can 
you blame them?)

and the other members of Analogue, who have very impressive 
personalized t-shirts (but, Chris, who's that Knox guy?)

prestigious of these "awards" is given for selfless service to the 
Indie-List Infotainment Junta And Fill Dirt Unlimited, and is our 
equivalent of the Congressional Medal Of Honor, the Nobel Prize, and 
the Stanley Cup all rolled into one.  This time around it is bestowed 
upon its namesake, JOSHUA HOUK, a person whom I have never met 
face-to-face but with whom I created a monster.  A round of applause 
and Bananafish for everyone!

Finally, somebody asked me what is my favorite album of the first 
hundred issues.  After much rumination, I've decided to lay this honor 
opon Halo by KICKING GIANT (Spartadisc.) I love listening to it, I 
identify with it, the happy songs make me happy, the sad songs make me 
cry, and it's very impressively packaged to boot.  "I completely love 
this here disc." (Mark Robinson - not spoken in reference to KG) Six 
stars on a five scale.  No doubt.

this is the century mark - here's to another.
Internet without INDIE is ntrnt.
You read it here first.
Push the button, TV's Frank.

Mark Stephen Cornick, aka Juan Manuel Fanjo, aka Mentos the Freshmaker,
aka Mark VIII, aka Moving Target, aka Editor Emeritus, Indie-List Digest

"they told him speed kills, and i can say the same for stasis"
[ mark cornick ] cornick@access.digex.net * richmond, virginia


From: "Rudawsky Don" <rudawsky_don@msmail.muohio.edu>
More Ohio 7"s and various reviews

Howdy y'all; here's some more Ohio 7" reviews, and this time they're a little
bit country, a little bit rock and roll.

Log 7"  Anyway #?? (left it at home, sorry.)

This four-song ep by the indie-list's own rock and roll prof, Paul 
Nini,is the most rock and roll of the Ohio group this time, but 
there's just a hint of country.  These are songs that would have fit 
in well with the Gas Food Lodging soundtrack.  They give me that 
driving-out- in-the-desert desperate beauty.  The male and female 
vocalists do some great harmonies.  As far as other bands go, they 
sound a little like the Smithereens (if they were good) and Scrawl, 
but only a little.  I didn't really get into this at first, but the 
more I listen I really apprecieate the songwriting.  Check this out by 
contacting Paul at <pnini@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

Ugly Stick-Dine Under the Birds b/w Neighbors Neighborhood, and Please 
Give Me Something (on some label I think they made up themselves; e-mail 
me for more info.)

Ugly Stick is a great live beer band.  They epitomize rock and roll.  
I had them come down to shitty Miami U.  from Columbus a few years ago 
to play at a festival I was putting on.  They rolled in 2 hours late 
(of course the show was running about an hour and a half late anyway). 
 The doors to their beat-up van opened on a cloud of smoke and a bunch 
of beer botles, and four smelly, greasy men poured out onto the 
ground.  They played their set and forced the small, preppy crowd to 
lose their inhibitions and dance to their country/rockabilly skronk.  
They then got arrested (for what, I never found out) and went home.  
This 7" provides 3 rockabilly/punkabilly songs that truly are best 
heard live.  These guys are actually good musicians who can do some 
great country recordings, but they should have saved the punkabilly 
stuff for the live set.  The last song is scarily similar to the 

The Hairy Patt Band 7" ep (I think its on anyway, but mail me if it 
interests you.)

I don't know what to make of the Hairy Patt Band.  "I'm so Angry 
You're Going to Die" is something you'd expect from Mojo Nixon, but 
all of Columbus raves about this band.  So I listen on and I finally 
get to The Legend of Soggy Creek, and it's got this great homemade 
percussion thing going.  Now I see some hope, but not enough.  Maybe 

Now some things from places I'd rather be than Ohio:

Hopper-Hunter/Depth 1.2 Damaged Goods #29 P.O.  Box 671 London E176NF

Hunter is really sticking in my head.  It's not terribly innovative or 
anything, but it's damned perfect pop.  This band's got a female 
singer who lays her velvety voice over some nice lightly fuzzed-out 
guitars for a couple of great songs.  I highly recommend tracking down 
a copy of this 7".

Mambo Taxi-do you always dress like that in front of other people's 
boyfriends?/i want to marry a serial killer Clawfist LC 7871 231 
Portobello Road, London W11 1LT Tel: 071 792 3566 FAX: 071 792 9871

Two amusing pop songs with some pretty good guitars and some pretty 
cheesy organ that makes for a happy romp.  Good for keeping moving and 
keeping in a good mood while cleaning the dorm room/apartment/house.

Azalia Snail-Fiery Skies 5 song ep 7" a dark beloved cloud incident 

Kinda erie, weird, high-pitched guitar frenzy.  Wind chimes in a 
tornado.  Some will love this; others won't; and still others won't 
know what to think.

The Grifters-Bronze Cast/Confidential Shangri-La Records 006!, 1916 
Madison Ave., Memphis TN 38104

First more great cover art.  If you haven't heard the Grifters yet, 
what's the hold up? They are amazing.  Their music reminds me of the 
passage from Jitterbug Perfume when the author talks about the New 
Orleans heat being so hot and sticky that it just grabs your leg and 
humps it like a dog and you can't do anything about it.  I guess that 
doesn't sound that appealing, but try it, you'll probably like it.  
The insert to this is quite amusing in dissing the A----- Whigs.  The 
insert also claims a new album on the way May 2.  I can't wait.

The Grifters-Holmes/Junkie Blood  Darla 001, 226 E. 2nd St., #2D, NY NY 

What a way to start a label! More of the same from the Grifters; need 
I say more? No!

A Day in the Park... A Compilation of Now Sounds  The Now Sound NS 001
BOX 91317, Durham, NC  27708

WOW! Dambuilders, Archers of Loaf, Versus, Spatula, Unwound, Grifters, 
Butterglory, Crayon, Nothing Painted Blue, Small 23, Diskothi-Q, 
Blaise Pascal, Spent, Portastatic, Further, and Refrigerator.  This is 
exactly what I like in a comp.: some sure-fire winners (Grifters, 
Dambuilders, and Blaise Pascal) some bands I'd been wanting to check 
out (Spatula, Butterglory, and Crayon) and some pleasant suprises 
(especially Unwound).  All songs are exclusive to this compilation, so 
run to the record store or mailbox and get a copy yesterday.

Definately Get Immediately:
Log - beautiful drivin in the desert country tinged rock (and support 
a fellow indie-lister)
Hopper - perfect pop, female vocals vaguely in the velocity 
girl/tsunami vien
A Day in the Park compilation-lots o great bands well worth the price, 
you're bound to like at least half the songs
Grifters - Sticky Memphis bluesrock

And a question:
Did Seam break up? They canceled a show in Cinci.  and that was the 
rumored reason.  If this is true I need to know immediately so I can 
get over my period of mourning before graduation.

thanks for listening to all this crap,


pavement/helium/coral--VA Beach, VA

If Pavement comes anywhere remotely close to your town, take this 
advice and GO.  I think it's one of the best shows I've seen--well, 
I'm scared to say EVER--but the emphasis is essential.

There is nothing pretentious about the band.  They played a range of 
songs from singles, "Westing (By Musket and Sextant)," the masterpiece 
"Slanted and Enchanted," and of course "Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain." 
They had such a keen sense of humor, too.  When they left out the 
"Smashing Pumpkins / they don't have no function .  .  .  I couldn't 
really give a fuck," line in "Range Life," several people in the 
audience yelled "hey, what happened to the Smashing Pumpkins?" 
Kannberg, with a wry smirk, said, "Uh, we like the Smashing Pumpkins 
now." I was a little surprised that they played "Cut Your Hair," but 
hey, it's a great song, despite what MTV, etc are trying to do with 
it.  I really doubt that Pavement will become MTV's little pet 
project.  Some guy behind me said, "Man, it's an absolute catharsis! 
They're amazing!" And that's mighty close: I couldn't tell if they 
were a group of guys equipped with toy-instruments (including a moog!) 
trying to extract all possible sounds, or if it was a passionate 
musical release.  I think it was both.  The penultimate song was 
"Fillmore Jive," and I knew they couldn't close with sucha dreamy yet 
didactic song: "I need to sleeeep .  .  ." How pleased I was when "i'm 
trying--i'm trying--i'm trying" was the last tune, and it continued to 
play in my head all night long.  "Carbon monoxide wall-papa" is among 
the most clever lyrics.

Oh yeah, Coral from Richmond opened up.  I was not impressed.  Helium 
had a more tranquil composure than i had imagined, but the guitar was 
kind of mesmerizing.  I know there are better bands from the area that 
could have played in Coral's place! And it's too bad that Pavement 
skipped the Richmond area for a show.  I wouldn't have had to drive 
for 3 hours to get to the show.

It was worth it, though.

jennie fennell


From: snow@minerva.cis.yale.edu (m.s.)
Papas Fritas

Papas Fritas
"Friday Night" b/w "Smash This World" & "Angel"
(Sunday Driver)

Papas Fritas is a band from Boston.  This is their first 7", though 
they do have a couple of self-made tapes.  That said, I'll move on to 
the songs.

"Friday Night" is a moderately-paced pop song that does a good job of 
building up tension without fully releasing it.  It is a bit longish 
for me, but it's pretty good nonetheless.

"Smash This World" is the real standout of the 7".  It's upbeat, super 
poppy, has excellent dynamics.  For some reason it strikes me as very 
'80's, but I mean that in a good way.  I just can't get this song out 
of my head.  It's definitely one of the better songs I've heard this 

"Angel" is a nice ballad (didn't Aerosmith have a ballad of the same 
name?).  It's not cheesy the way Aerosmith can be, though.  The verses 
are fortunately understated, and the choruses are pretty loud which is 
a good thing.  I especially like singer/guitarist Tony Goddess's 
screams at the end.

This single is available from Sunday Driver records for $3, and their 
address is: Sunday Driver, 2017 Lowerline, New Orleans, LA 70118.

Matt Snow

This is the slow sick sucking part of me.


From: Kelly <WOO4221H@bkstud1.uel.ac.uk>
Tindersticks, Cardiacs

Has anyone heard the tindersticks lp?? It's really good.  It sounds a 
bit like a cross between the '60's Nick Drake/Nick Cave and Joy 
Division.  Though I dont think those comparisons do it any justice.  
The singer is obviously a manic-depressive, though, going by some of 
the lyrics!!!

It's really orchestral and moody.  Loads of violins and organ pieces.  
It really makes a change from other stuff of the moment that's all 
either bass-ssy, rappy stuff or noisy guitar (not that there's any 
thing wrong with noisy guitar; MBV are really cool).

It's not bad value for the money either, as it's over 70 mins long.

Is anybody into the Cardiacs?? They always seem to get bad press and 
their records are really hard to find, but it's really manic.  
Musically it's amazing but they always get described in the press as 
quirky and a bit cult-figure-y.  It just sounds like a load of 
keyboards and guitars all going at once, really difficult to describe. 
 It's really difficult to get into but well worth it.  If anybody is 
interested, check out a little man, a house and the whole world 
window.  This is the Life is undoubtedly a classic.


From: Robert Lim <lim7@midway.uchicago.edu>
Beginning To and Back Again

Ahem.  It's been quite a while since I've done this, so pardon the 
dust, so to speak.  I've pretty much been deadened to most indie-pop, 
so also pardon any grouchiness.  I have, however, found some records 
well worth some space here in the Indie-List and can also voice 
(hopefully) well-reasoned opinions on other indie music.  Basically, 
what i'm saying, is don't be offended if I slag your favorite band.

FIrst off some record reviews:

V/A _(Y)earbook, Vol.  3_, Rastascan Records - This is the final 
installment in a 3-CD (each sold separately, purchase required) series 
of CDs devoted solely to improvised music.  Nominally, this includes 
any music, but in actuality, you end up with lots of improv jazz.  I 
personally wouldn't hold this against it, but what is more interesting 
is the other noisy/ambient/ (for lack of a better word) experimental 
stuff.  Standout cuts include Crawling With Tarts, who come through 
with Motors V.E (or something).  CWT is a band who play motors.  Even 
though it sounds gimmicky, they get a surprisingly wide range of 
expression just by accelerating/decelerating the motors and applying 
various objects to them to make clicking noises.  I dunno if I'd go in 
for their LP, but this track is well worth the time.  The best cut, 
however, is a band called Tokyo '77 (whom I would love to get some 
info about), a combo that is somewhat similar in lineup to jazz, but 
that plays a mind-blowing range of every element in music cut up and 
reassembled.  Actually, words are failing me to describe this 
spectacle.  At any rate, the other cuts are all decent, though some 
are a bit bizarre (a multi-tracked a cappela piece about Long Island 
traffic, for instance), but I'm not quite sure if this is for 
everyone.  It is, however, definitely for me.  Thumbs up.

Combustible Edison, _I, Swinger_, Sub Pop- It looks like the Christmas 
people are back in business again, this time as the purveyors of the 
new Swinger movement (I guess they don't want to admit that the 
Coctails beat them to the punch), who apparently drink mixed drinks of 
varying degrees of flamboyance and sing about how glamorous their life 
is.  Sounds suspiciously like Urge Overkill (a member of which used to 
drum for the Christmas), but even though they're heavy on pretense, 
they can occasionally pull one off.  Unfortunately (for them), the 
best songs on this record are the covers...  Whoops, forgot to mention 
that this is lounge-type music, a bit heavy on the milquetoastness (cf 
their version of "Cry Me a River").  Don't get me wrong- I like this 
ok, just not very often.  Only buy this after you get every single 
Coctails record + the dolls.

Huggy Bear, their new single, Gravity Records- Here's Huggy Bear 
coming in with a new single (their 4th, I believe).  This is 
unbelievably poor.  With the exception of the 1st cut on side 1, which 
is bearable (yuck yuck), they have fallen from the fury of their 
exquisite first two 7"s to become cheap Nation of Ulysses wannabes.  
Or maybe they are going that direction anyway, but there's no decent 
"songs," no discernable oomph that would convince me they gave a shit 
about anything.  Not even the passionless ruckus they kick up is 
interesting.  This all means that this is the absolute bottom.  Avoid.

Naked City, Absinthe, Avant (Japan)- There have been two new Naked 
City releases on Avant, one of radio sessions, and this one of more 
introspective word.  Here, an Eye-less Naked City sticks pretty 
cleanly to jazz, with vague doses of in-your-face noise bits.  I guess 
there is also a preponderance of Eastern chimes, etc.  Anyway, barring 
the last track (a seeming tribute to Rice Krispies), this one 
thoroughly enjoyable disc- Zorn leads the band (or rather conducts) 
through atmospheric backgrounds on one track then jumps to the 
skronkiest, noisiest track I've heard in a while.  I like both styles 
just fine, but I think they execute them well enough to be worthy if 
yr just interested in one.

Well, I was going to put some live shows down, but I'm too long-winded 
and I don't like to put 3+ pages worth of critique.  Maybe next 


From: kingunix@garnet.berkeley.edu (Robbeldebobbel)
abridged perversion

Abridged Perversion - A Shrimper compilation of Shrimper compilations

Would it...  Could it....  be the first submission after a year of 
lurkateering? Yep.  'Cuz I haven't seen this fine compilation 
discussed on this list yet - or did I miss it? It's been out for quite 
a while.  This release is a CD filled to the brim with 34 songs that 
appeared on previous cassette and 7" compilations on the lovely 
Shrimper label - a cassette-only label except for their two 7" 
compilers.  34 songs by 34 bands? Yeah, sort of ......  If you count 
Sentridoh and Lou Barlow separately...  and Nothing Painted Blue / 
Franklin Bruno...  and Refrigerator / Paste....  There's a fair bit of 
in-breeding going on.  Most of the bands featured I know nothing 
whatsoever about - but all are interesting, some are great.  Just a 
few of the high points, after a mere two listens: The track by Nothing 
Painted Blue (from the Swing Set 7"), Carne A's (who? I dunno...  but 
they're great) track "Cankertown", Wckr Spgt's track "fluffy cat" (can 
somebody please tell me something about this band? I like most 
everything they've done, but they're still a complete mystery to me), 
Simon Wickham-Smith/Richard Youngs' doodling...  Too many to mention.  
The release is somewhat confusing - it's not on Shrimper Records, but 
on Brinkman - I think it's a Dutch label, but there's no address 
given.  Apparently (why, why, why?) it's a limited-to-500 release, and 
I got it new, (not a cut-out) for a mere $8.  Huh? Pick it up, quick!

My god, this is such a confusing post....  I'll try to be more 
coherent next time 'round, 'kay?



From: Paul H Williams <phwst1+@pitt.edu>
Pavement w/ Helium, Lilys, and Catapillar  

I got to see Stockton's, CA.  favorite band at the Trocedro in Philly 
and Haveford College, which outside Philly (near Villanova Univ.).  So 
Pavement had two dates in Philly.  The first concert was on Good 

Haveford Pa.

O' MIGHTY ISIS were the first band to play...A local band playing that 
was just happy to play in front of audience that didn't consist mostly 
of friends.  I had more fun going back to the car to put my brand new 
Pavement shirt away (they gave you a Pavement sticker with the 
purchase).  They played much too long, about 1 hour.

HELIUM.  I just found out that 2/3 of Helium were in Dumptruck.  I 
remember they had a great 12" out and I never would buy it because I 
was under the assumption: who would buy a Dumptruck 12" in Harrisburg? 
How many Dumptruck fans can there be? Someone bought it.  Bastard.  
Helium are really great on vinyl, but they lacked showmanship.  They 
just played.  I don't even recall them hanging around the audience at 
all.  But whatever.  I really like their vinyl stuff.  "Love $$$" is 
my favorite song and they capture a mood with their intense playing.  
By the way, Mary is a great guitarist.

PAVEMENT.  I talked to Spiral Stairs before the show and he's just a 
neat guy.  I saw him earlier in REPO Records and he brought up the 
Pavement's "Cut Your Hair" 12" and the "Slay Tracks" CD Bootleg.  He 
told the owner the 12" was improperly priced at $8.99.  It wasn't an 
import or anything of that nature.  It just had a big sticker that was 
marked $8.99, the owner immediately took the tag off.  Also the CD 
bootleg was being sold at $19.99 and he wanted to buy it at cost.  The 
owner said it was $16.  After some bargining he reduced it $14.  
Spiral refused to buy it.  After he left, I told the employee I would 
buy it $14.  She laughed and said, "No." At the show, I told Spiral 
the latter end of the story and he said he would have bought it for me 
than sold it to me.  Rats!

They played a interesting set, which consisted of some unrecorded new 
songs and the old tunes "Debris Slide" "Summer Babe" "Box Elder MO".  
"Stop Breathin'" "Gold Soundz" "5 + 4= Unity" got played from the new 
LP.  "Summer Babe" was the second song they played, and the crowd 
immediately wanted to mosh.  I knew it was going to happen.  No stage 
diving though.  It was much too shallow when the stage was only two 
feet off the ground.  Malkmus was pretty out of it; he played guitar 
and just stared at the lights.  Bobby N.  was a neat highlight, when 
he was screaming and stiring up a fanfare during "Unfair." It was a 
good show.

Trocadero Pa. "The alley behind the Troc is pretty damn clean"

I was suppose to interview Pavement around 5 o'clock and they were 
doing sound check 'til 6:15.  While sitting in the beautiful alleyway, 
Caterpillar was unloading and Kurt came flying and swerving down the 
alley in a rented van.  I knew it was rented because you don't have 
the consequence of fixing the van if it's damaged.  When I finally got 
in, Lara Cohen was in there (how does she do this?) with Kristin of 
Tsunami.  Mark and Spiral were playing whiffleball.  Malkmus was 
scratching his head, looking dazed and confused.  Bobby N.  had a 
bottle of beer in his hand.  No drummer.  The interview -- did it.

The first band was Caterpillar whom I never listened to, even though I 
have the December Working Holiday 7".  It must have been a Philly 
thing, 'cause the kids were out tonight.  It was packed and they 
started to mosh until a bouncer stopped them.  They were alright.  I'm 
still not a huge fan.

LILYS.  I'm a huge Lilys fan, so this was a big concert for me.  The 
Lilys consist of 5 people now.  The last itme I saw them, May '93, 
they were only a 3-piece.  They added two guitars, one from 
Caterpillar.  They went through a bunch of new songs and the only one 
I know the name for was "Ginger".  But Wally still hasn't forgot how 
to play "Threw a Day" It was weird to see them.  No more My Bloody 
Valentine feedback.  They lilys have discovered solid ground.  The 
songs are more original and much different from "In the Presence of 
Nothing." Short quick riffs played with pace.
Paul Williams <phwst1+@pitt.edu>  "Indie-rock ain't noise pollution"
				      "Make Love Rock, Not war"


From: mmaxwell@UCSD.EDU (Matthew Maxwell)
Blind Mr. Jones, Droneon & Me

Seeing that someone mentioned Blind Mr.  Jones' "Spooky Vibes" EP, i 
thought that i'd pipe up and let people know that there's more 
available from this fine band.  There's a second EP, though i just 
suffered brain fade on the name (might be "Featherweight") as well as 
an outstanding LP entitled _Stereo Musicale_.

I'll second the opinion that BMJ are more than just 'Ride with 
Flutes.' These guys write better music, though lyrically they're in 
the same ballroom as many of the other 'gazer bands.  However, they 
blow the competition away.  Put on the song "Dolores" or "Sisters" 
from their LP and hear the difference for yourself.  "Dolores" grabbed 
me the first time i heard it in the tiny shoebox record store on 
campus, so much so that i almost had to wrestle a guy for the last 
copy, but he chickened out when he saw the pricetag.  Wimp.  It was 
worth every penny.

And while i'm in the neighborhood, i'd like to mention the DroneOn 
mailinglist, which is more or less picks up where the Hypnodrone list 
left off, focusing on droning guitar bands as well as psychedelic 
music in all its manifestations.  Recent topics include: Flying Saucer 
Attack, Can/Faust (and Krautrock in general), Mazzy Star, and various 
rumors surrounding Spacemen 3 reissues.  If you're interested, drop me 
a line, or simply send mail to listserv@ucsd.edu with the message 
"subscribe droneon" in the body.  Later, all.


Matt Maxwell                 mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 And stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway


FROM: LLJE@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu
Pavement Review (Austin)

Thursday Night: Pavement Live @ Liberty Lunch in Austin, TX...

Unfortunately, I arrived late and only caught the last three songs of 
Bailter Space.  What I heard I really liked.  Sort of a hard-edged, 
dreamy sound that belted out moments of pure frustration.  It was an 
incredible meld of music-noise and I really wish I could have seen 
more of their show.

Pavement came on right @ 10:20 PM (early shows really suck) and played 
a Nirvana cover as their opening number.  From then on their set list 
followed two old songs for every new one played.  (I've only recently 
started listening to Pavement so I can't give you song titles.) It 
appeared to one of my friends that they would play a pop song then a 
guitar rock song and then an art-music song then another pop song.

There were definite times when the audience seemed bored but then they 
would play one of the more pop songs and the audience was right back 
in there.  Personally, I was disappointed with the length of their 
songs.  Just when it seemed like the music was going to let go, the 
song would end.

They played a full hour and came back and did four more songs as an 
encore.  The best part of the whole evening was the last encore, it 
went on forever and swirled and swam around through all sorts sounds 
and seemed to never end and I don't know why but it was the best thing 
I heard all evening.

Before and after Pavement played, John Zorn was to be heard on the PA 
system.  Read into this what you will.  Overall I have to say I was 
disappointed but I'll go and see them again and if the show's less 
than $12 in your area and if you're a Pavement fan, I'd recommend 
seeing them.  je


From: rcarmic1@cc.swarthmore.edu (rob)

hiya.  anyone who's in the philidelphia area might should be advised 
that swarthmore college is again putting on their annual "worthstock" 
all-day concert fun-o-rama (sponsored by WSRN-FM).  the festivities 
will take place on may 1, at which time the following bands 
tentatively will be playing: Knife and Fork Band, Caterpillar, 
DiskothiQ, Ass Ponys and the New Bomb Turks.  we're keeping this thing 
under wraps as much as possible, so if you're interested, please email 
me (at rcarmic1@cc.swarthmore.edu) and i'll give you the low-down.

thanks and jaundiced love,

rob carmichael



The final bandfest for at Longwood College in scenic Farmville, VA, 
will be on Saturday, April 30, at 8 PM in the Lancer Cafe.  Richmond's 
UGLY HEAD and PELT and Yorktown's DYING ECHO will be playing.  Free 
show, and as usual, free coffee.  For info------>jennie 804-395-3010.  
lots o'fun expected.


alborn@husc.harvard.edu "Timothy Alborn" 
ADV: new incite!, harriet releases available

Harriet Records presents a new CD by Crayon and new singles by The 
Extra Glenns (featuring Franklin Bruno and John Darnielle), Pest 
(Barbara Manningish pop from Montreal) and Bagpipe Operation 
(Pavementish pop from Sacramento).  The CD is $7 ppd and the singles 
are $3 ppd.  from Harriet, PO Box 649, Cambridge, MA 02238.  Also out 
now is a new issue of Incite! magazine, number 25, with a special 
feature on historical Harriets and tons of reviews.  Yours for two 
stamps or free with any Harriet order.  And Crayon is planning a tour 
in June and July, early on with Hazel and later with the Softies 
(ex-Tiger Trap).  Anyone who's interested in helping put on a show 
email me: alborn@husc.harvard.edu.


From: blue slurpee junky <whitebrd@eden.rutgers.edu>
ADV: more gusto on my part

i know i announced this in the last offering of the indie list, but 
there has been an addition and a change, so i'm going to suck up my 
pride and tell you all over again (if eric lets me) [well, since there 
were changes in lineup and all, we'll remain calm...  And what you do 
with your own pride is your own business...  -es].  at 6:00 on Sunday, 
April 17th at Under Acme in NYC, Jiffy Boy Records is putting on a 
show to celebrate the release of their first cd compilation, ten cent 
fix.  The lineup for the show is: Lilys (still the whole band), 
Barnabys (might just be Joey), All About Chad (not just on spinART, 
also on Silver Lady and Brilliant and stuff), Slow Children Playing 
(still my band), Spleverb (the newest addition to Jiffy Boy), and 
Raggedy Ann (still about to record with Pat the Yo-Yo guy).  the cost 
is still $5 and you can reach me at 908.249.5455 or 
<whitebrd@eden.rutgers.edu>.  thanks, but forget my advice about 
cracking a fret or two because that could get to be way too expensive. 
 bring your own breaking mat.  -brandon, jiffy guy.


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