What a golden age
What a time of right and reason
The consumer's king
and unhappiness is treason


      Indie List Digest!

        July 6, 1995

     Volume 4   Number 34


Greetings, once again, and welcome to the Indie-List.  

You've no doubt noticed that some of the mailing dates have slipped 
again.  Well, there's a good explanation.

While Sean is making his careful move through the eastern corridor, 
Anne and I are preparing pull up stakes and move to the Big City (tm) 
of Chicago.  This has meant - and will mean - a fair amount of 
travelling and stress.  Bear with us, if you could, if the IL shows up 
a day later here or there, or if your notes and submissions don't get 
as prompt a reply.  By mid August all the dust should have settled.

For the time being, and for a while to come, the addresses you're used 
to will NOT change.  Keep sending your submissions to 
indie-submit@indiana.edu, and your subscription requests and 
modifications to grumpy@access.digex.net.  When all this does change, 
we'll be sure to let y'all know the details.

And if anyone has work in Chicago for a Mac Internet and (to a lesser 
extent) Unix guy, or an Editing gal, drop us a line.  We gotta pay 
that rent!

A request for information came to us while we were preparing this 
issue.  Francis <didonf01@MCRCR6.MED.NYU.EDU>, of the Halfbreeds
writes looking for guidance about getting college bookings.  If any 
out there can help 'em out, I'm sure they'd appreciate it.



From: pjoe@grafix.xs4all.nl (Joep Vermaat)
No Pure


It's high time the two pure lighten up this wonderful two-weekly 
electronic paper.  But we've been just a bit busy lately.  Loz has 
been working his ass off, working on his paper.  And Joep followed 
some very practical courses.  So those are the lame excuses we didn't 
send anything of use to you.  But expect the following in the coming 
summer weeks:

 - An interview with Tim Foljahn of Two Dollar Guitar (this posting)
 - A few reviews of my favourite records I bought over the past half year.
 - asorted live reviews over the past half year
 - Disco Inferno interview
 - Laika interview
 - Mouse on Mars interview
 - Bedhead interview
 - Catherine Wheel interview???

Maybe we'll have time to do a regular posting in the near future.  But 
don't expect anything regular yet.  Enjoy the things I have to offer 
you now:

                           TWO DOLLAR INTERVIEW

The term 'lo-fi' -- the most important reason all those bands gathered 
for the Fast Forward festival at Doornroosje (Nijmegen, Holland).  Tim 
Foljahn isn't too happy about it.  During their live performance he 
fooled around with it and called Two Dollar Guitar's music 'blow-fly.'  
And in a way he's right; live they sounded a lot heavier than most of 
the other bands and artists.  "I've got nothing against lo-fi.  I 
think it's wonderful people record their music at home.  But it's just 
a moniker that doesn't hold a whole lot of meaning.  It's just a way 
of saying that if something is recorded badly then it has quality.  I 
think it's strange they call Two Dollar Guitar 'lo-fi', only two songs 
on the record I've recorded at home.  Oh well, it's probably because I 
used a toy piano on the single."

Tim Foljahn is a happier person than you would expect from listening 
to the record "Let me bring you down."  He talks a lot and tells 
funny anecdotes.  Like his most favourite live experience ever:  He 
once supported the Black Crowes, and together with Steve Shelley he played 
Led Zeppelin riffs, while Thurston Moore screamed obscenities at the 
audience.  After a few songs they were pulled off the stage.  On record 
Tim sounds like a Leonard Cohen on the verge of suicide accompanied by 
the Palace Brothers.  The subject of death obviously plays a major 
part.  "I don't think I'm more fascinated by death than by being 
born.  But I don't really remember much about that.  But it's a main 
thing as well.  It's a real good hammer.  You say that, and it makes a 
big picture.  It means a spinal thing.  It can either be good or bad, 
it's a fine line.  It's not really like 'oh this is depressing' 
because someone died.  Eventually we will all die, it's just the way 
it is.  Death isn't that horrible a word anymore to use in a song.  
It's overused.  Most of my shit is overused.  I do a lot of stuff 
that's very tired in a way."

The lyrics and music of Two Dollar Guitar have a lot in common with 
Country music.  A comparison with Palace and Will Oldham is very easy 
to make.  "I appreciate any comparison I get to them.  But still it's 
a pretty different thing.  He does his whole thing nailed down in a 
lot of ways.  I don't really know what the fuck I'm doing.  He has 
done the singer/songwriter thing a little longer than I have." Because 
Tim is only just starting, he hasn't got a clue what will happen next.  
"It's really exciting that things are changing so fast.  I'm sort of 
seeing where it's going.  I don't want something so conscious that 
sort of left the art train.  I don't something so preconceived that 
it's about this specific somewhat controlled thing.  I'm more 
interested in seeing what I get."

In the past Two Dollar Guitar has been described as Tim Foljahn's 
hobby project.  "I see it as a band.  The lineup changes slightly, 
but Two Dollar Guitar is a band interaction thing.  The first single 
wasn't like that.  But that was before we got really going." The 
changed rhythm section was the most important reason the band sounded 
much louder live.  Steve Shelley, who plays on the record, couldn't 
come because he had to record with Sonic Youth.  He was temporarily 
replaced by Keith Nealy, drummer of the since-November-1994-defunct 
Cell.  Together with David Motamed he let the sound of their former band 
shine through in Tim's songs.  Tim finds it very important that all 
band members add their influence to the songs.  "I don't want it to 
be this revolving door thing where there is this guy singing and 
doing the songs, who keeps doing the songs no matter who's playing on 
them.  I'm not into that at all.  There were like three songs that we 
were doing every night that Steve has never played on and Keith had 
wrote the parts for.  I've been in that position before, that you step 
in.  It can be not so fun if you don't have a hand in writing your own 
parts.  I don't really have a conception of how it looks from the 
outside.  But as long as we're having fun it's worth while." It's 
quite exceptional that Two Dollar Guitar do a tour of five concerts in a 
row.  "We played more here than in the United States.  We were really 
surprised it was going like this.  This tour is kind of a fluke in a 
way.  Maybe we will do a few shows with Steve when we get home.  I 
think we're going get around recording some things this summer.  So 
probably Steve, Dave and I are going down to Raleigh and record a 
record.  It would be nice, now that Keith has played with us, to get Keith 
on the record.  But he's pretty much here and happy over here." No 
doubt, we'll hear more of Two Dollar Guitar in future, with or without 
Keith.  For now check out the debut on Smells Like Records.



Correction (viz. Feelies)

The ex-Feelie in the Wild Carnations is Brenda Sauter (ex-Feelies 
bassist) not any of the guys in the band.
The other ex-Feelies project, Wake Ooloo, just released their second 
album on Pravda Records and it is very good (and more Feelies-ish than 
Wild Carnations.) Wake Ooloo features Glenn Mercer and Dave Weckerman.
Stan Demeski, the Feelies drummer, plays in Dean Wareham's band Luna.
The final ex-Feelie, Bill Million, is no longer involved in music.


From: Mark_Richard Stemm <stemm@CS.Berkeley.EDU>
Blunderbuss, Thee Speaking Canaries, Hurl

	Good stuff from Pittsburgh, PA. If only I could find stuff this
good in the Bay area; anyone who knows, let me know.

Blunderbuss--Conspiracy, Homestead Records

	Disclaimer: These guys sound nothing like Slint, Rodan, Codeine or

	These guys have had three 7"s over the last 4 years or so; this is
their first full length thing. The first two 7"s were local, one on
Pop Bus Records (Pop Bus also has put out stuff by Hurl, Don Caballero,
The Northern Bushmen, ...) and one on Peas Kor (who has released stuff by
The Karl Hendricks Trio and Thee Speaking Canaries). The first two 7"
were kinda a bass-heavy-noise-scream-thing. I know it sounds like a
lot of other bands, but they did it really well. The latest 7" was on
Homestead, and it shows the big switch they made. They decided to move
away from noise and screaming and toward more intricate songs and
singing. The guitar, in particular, has become a lot more interesting.

	OK, the summary first, and then the justification: this is the
best record I've heard in the last 2 years, the closest competitors
being Jawbox's "For Your Own Special Sweetheart", Drive Like Jehu's
"Yank Crime", Hammerhead's "Into the Vortex", Fugazi's "In on the Kill
Taker", Hurl's unreleased album, and Polvo's triple 7"(the name
escapes me). Heavy bass like innumerable other people, but with a lot
more melody, and absolutely amazing interesting guitar not like
anything I hear anybody else play. The songs are not riff-riff-riff;
the parts mesh together really well. The songs are, in general,
huge. If you are remotely interested in any of the bands I mentioned
above, you should immediately go buy this record; you won't be

Thee Speaking Canaries -- Songs For the Terrestially Challenged

	There are two releases of this double album: one is a Hi-Fi
version and one is Lo-Fi. This is a review of the Hi-Fi Version; I
couldn't bear to listen to the Lo-Fi. This band includes Damon (drummer
from Don Caballero) on guitar, Noah (drummer from Hurl) on drums, and
Karl Hendricks (from the Karl Hendricks Trio) on bass.

	In 3 words, the album is "Indie Van Halen". (There are around 3
Van Halen covers on the album). Take out almost all of the annoying
guitar solos and vocals, but leave the 4/4-ness and add more
interesting song structure and this is what you get. If you have heard
Don Caballero, you know how Damon drums; he plays guitar in pretty
much the same extroverted type of way. 

	It's really good, really really good, and definitely worth
buying. (However, you should be expecting something that "rocks").

Hurl -- Bessimer Process Double 7"(Kinda)

	Hurl has a double 7" coming out in a week or so on Peas Kor. I
haven't heard the whole thing, but it has some songs from a live
performance that I do have, and they are great. Find this and buy
it. Totally huge massive rock like Engine Kid, Hum, ...

	More importantly: Last summer, Hurl recorded an album but as yet
cannot find any label with decent distribution to release it (as far as
I know). If the real thing is nearly as good as the 5th generation
normal-bias tape crappy copy I have, the people who own these labels
and decide which records to put out are brain-dead and generally
stupid. If you are one of these people, or know one of these people,
tell yourself/them that you/they are stupid and should find and
release the Hurl album immediately. If I had time to do it myself, I
would, pretty much regardless of the cost.


I am Mark Stemm, Grad Student, UC-Berkeley
email: stemm@cs.berkeley.edu Mosaic: http://http.cs.berkeley.edu/~stemm
Finger me for my PGP Public Key...
Quote of the Minute:
Eng: Your fly is open. --> Latin:  Braccae tuae aperiuntur. --Latin for 
Practical Use


From: Leslie_Kleinberg@brown.edu
Chris Knox In-store

I just got back from the...

Chris Knox/Lida Husik In-store appearance at In Your Ear, Providence 
RI (6/25)

Lida Husik was one woman playing guitar and singing, and her 
guitar-playing "assistant." Sitting on a blue vinyl sofa.  Nice guitar 
almost-folky thing, but not extremely memorable.  I liked that she was 
an alto, not a poufy, pretty-girl high voice.  I do remember that they 
did the Magnetic Fields' "Desert Island."

Then Chris Knox.  I hadn't heard him before (I'm waiting for the Tall 
Dwarfs' "3 EPs" to come in the mail), but I had high expectations.  
And for the most part, they were met.  One electric guitar, pretty 
sparse, then occasionally he would step on a pedal and really rock and 
say that that's what tonight's later show would sound like, but that 
he had to preserve his voice.  Said he was singing everything in a 
lower register.  A little bit of Robyn Hitchcock-ish between-song, 
humorous rambling (or maybe I just have Hitchcock on the brain because 
I put on an old, once-autographed t-shirt this morning).  He ended 
with a special, funny song about in-store performances, how Caroline 
really thinks it's great for him to play for 5 people at a time, and 
how one day he won't have to do them, but he keeps at it because at 
least this way he gets to meet "the people" and get a discount on 
anything he wants in the store (interrupted himself midsong to verify 
with the counterperson that this was correct).  He kept his word about 
interacting with the audience, running through the aisles in his 
banana-print shorts, slapping us all good-naturedly on the back, and 
getting feedback off of the CD display and a few people's bodies.  He 
lost one of his rubber flip-flops in the process.  Quite an amiable 
fellow.  And good songs, too.



From: Swivelmark@aol.com
Seam, Pere Ubu, Geraldine Fibbers

hi it's mark from Duluth MN again, pillaging the piles of discs at the 
local community radio station.

after reading this list for a few months now, I have a question that 
may seem ignorant: what do you mean by indie?  I got into one of those 
annoying indie vs.  major debates recently and found a kinda odd 
solution: I think indie rock means indie of spirit as opposed to 
lacking in promotional money.  there are several good challenging 
groups on majors.  there are some sucky untalented fake-challenging 
bands on indies.  where does the line get drawn?  discuss.

[all this is discussed in the Indie-List FAQ, available at the FTP 
site and on the web, as listed in the footer of each issue.  Mark 
Cornick wrote a very nice piece concerning "what is Indie," and I 
refer the reader to said resource.  Mark's preamble to his 
discussion states:

  "Indie" is short for "independent." ("Indy" is short for 
  "Indianapolis." This list is not about auto racing.  :-) So, "indie 
  music" is "independent music." Whazzat? The most common definition is 
  "music released on independent labels." So you ask, "What's an 
  independent label?" You, gentle reader, have stumbled upon the 
  much-vaunted Late-20th-Century Indie-Quandary.

whereupon he discusses the great "mingling" of commercial and 
independent interests.  As some have noted in the past, Anne and I 
have taken a slightly more relaxed view of what Indie is while the 
IL has been under our stewardship, although not a completely relaxed 
one.  We trust our readers to bear with us in their writing. -es]

okay, onto to some semi-indie rawk:

Seam - Are You Driving Me Crazy? (Touch and Go)

For some reason I never really liked this band until this record.  
Maybe it's the cleaner production (Brad Wood is officially the best 
producer on earth) or perhaps I've listened to the lyrics more 
carefully this time.  I think Sooyoung Park is probably the best 
pure-pop vocalist I've heard in a long time.  I also liked the varied 
moods on this one.  This makes me want to see them live, although the 
Eye of the Dragon tour never came near these parts (also would have 
liked to have seen Aminiature, who are great on record as well).

Also listened to two pre-release tapes we got: The new Pere Ubu record 
will be on Tim/Kerr, suprisingly enough.  Not at all surprising is the 
fact that they have returned full force to the Dub Housing days and 
have dumped most of the pop tunes they foisted on the last few Mercury 
records.  Although I liked their last record on Imago more, this one 
is a good intro for perople to get the full-on Crocus Bohemoth 

Also, even tho they aren't "indie" indie, I thought I should plug The 
Geraldine Fibbers.  They are on Virgin, but this ain't no Pumpkins, 
kids.  Their debut full-length (which I heard on badly dubbed cassette 
via Virgin) has diverse influences aplenty: John Cale viola-scrapings, 
Patti Smith-to-Mia Zapata vocal-scrapings, lots of heart-rending 
country twang, lots of guitar freakouts, amazing rhythmic 
dexterity....boy, it's hard not to love this even though it's paid for 
by Paula Abdul's bosses.  Then again, so is Low from Duluth (who by 
the way are on tour and should be heading down south by now, see them 

That's it for now.  Haven't heard a lot that's really moved me lately.  
I liked about half of the new Shallow record on Zero Hour.  A little 
too much meandering instrumentals, but they are very adept at dynamic 
shifts within some of the songs.  It's called "3D Stereo Trouble."


Mark Earnest


From: Kathleen Billus <kathleeb@aw.com>
ANNOUNCE: List your label, station, zine emails in ESCARGOT! 


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From: Halobit@aol.com
ANNOUNCE: Susan Constant

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Take an indepth look at the mind of a genius.  Learn what it's like to 
live as a Madagascar tree frog.  Read concise, informative interviews 
with John Steinbeck and Homer.  Read all of these things, somewhere 
else, because they are not found in the pages of the Susan Constant.  
You will find interviews with Lois, Jody Blelye, and God though.  
Along with enough lunacy to ensure its place in your bathroom as 
toilet paper.  It's 40 pages and costs a measly dollar and a stamp.  
Send funds and family portraits to:

The Susan Constant
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From: Mike Appelstein
ANNOUNCE: Caught In Flux #4

Even though I'm still waiting for a couple of photos and an essay, I still 
feel confident enough to announce a new issue of Caught In Flux for sale. 

Issue #4 will include interviews with Bunnygrunt, Rastro!, Loud Family and 
Vinyl Devotion; a long chat with Palmolive, the ex-drummer of the Slits and 
Raincoats, and what she's been doing these past 15 years (you'll be 
surprised, I promise); a few stories about life after high school (two Class 
of 1995 commencements and two 10-year reunions); an extensive review 
section; and, you know, "more."  Sorry, no music-discovery stories this 
time...I've collected about a dozen new ones from the likes of Jen Wolfe 
(Septophilia) and Lisa Marr (Cub), but I just don't have room for them this 
time.  Expect them to show up in a future issue, maybe #5.

The issue is 60 pp. long and will cost $3.00 postpaid.  I expect to have it 
ready by July 4th weekend.  If you'd like to reserve one for your